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		<title>Comment on Modelling Shoplifting by Modelling Air Traffic Control &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/07/modelling-shoplifting/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>Modelling Air Traffic Control &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What is Complex Event Processing? by Modelling Air Traffic Control &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/what-is-complex-event-processing/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>Modelling Air Traffic Control &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Modelling Shoplifting by Richard Veryard</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/07/modelling-shoplifting/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Veryard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to distinguish between modelling shoplifting (constructing a theory about the observable patterns associated with shoplifting) and modelling shoplift-detection (designing a system that will observe or infer these patterns). 

I think that both image processing and RFID-based merchandise-object tracking belong to your model of shoplift-detection rather than a model of shoplifting. In discussing the relative merits and technical feasibility of the two mechanisms, you are not saying anything about the phenomenon of shoplifting itself.

There is of course an arms race between shoplifters and shoplifting detection systems. Shops fit cameras and RFID tags, shoplifters adopt new evasion tactics and carry cheap devices to reprogram the RFID tags. So both the shoplifting model and the shoplifting-detection models evolve over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to distinguish between modelling shoplifting (constructing a theory about the observable patterns associated with shoplifting) and modelling shoplift-detection (designing a system that will observe or infer these patterns). </p>
<p>I think that both image processing and RFID-based merchandise-object tracking belong to your model of shoplift-detection rather than a model of shoplifting. In discussing the relative merits and technical feasibility of the two mechanisms, you are not saying anything about the phenomenon of shoplifting itself.</p>
<p>There is of course an arms race between shoplifters and shoplifting detection systems. Shops fit cameras and RFID tags, shoplifters adopt new evasion tactics and carry cheap devices to reprogram the RFID tags. So both the shoplifting model and the shoplifting-detection models evolve over time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Modelling Shoplifting by Tim Bass</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/07/modelling-shoplifting/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc,

Image processing is a "very hard" problem.  Imagine a person being tracked walking into a crowd.   This is a "hard problem" with radar and much harder with images - and expensive.  

As far as models go,   I think RFID tagged merchandise maybe the more cost effective loss prevention model.   Instead of tracking people-objects it is easier and less intrusive to track merchandise.   

However,  just tracking and tracing merchandise is no more "CEP" than single-object FedEx package tracking is "CEP".    However,  processing the entire "event cloud" of FedEx packages in realtime and seeking enterprise or regional opportunities or threats that effect decison making *is* "CEP".  

((Editorial Note:  I will continue to draw these distinctions even if a few database-oriented colleagues are "turned off" by it.))

Back to modelling shoplifting,   I suggest folks define merchandise-objects and then track these objects based on a risk-based cost-benefit analysis, using an RFID-type technology.    If we are comfortable with than, then we can further model detecting shoplifting.

Yours faithfully,  Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc,</p>
<p>Image processing is a &#8220;very hard&#8221; problem.  Imagine a person being tracked walking into a crowd.   This is a &#8220;hard problem&#8221; with radar and much harder with images - and expensive.  </p>
<p>As far as models go,   I think RFID tagged merchandise maybe the more cost effective loss prevention model.   Instead of tracking people-objects it is easier and less intrusive to track merchandise.   </p>
<p>However,  just tracking and tracing merchandise is no more &#8220;CEP&#8221; than single-object FedEx package tracking is &#8220;CEP&#8221;.    However,  processing the entire &#8220;event cloud&#8221; of FedEx packages in realtime and seeking enterprise or regional opportunities or threats that effect decison making *is* &#8220;CEP&#8221;.  </p>
<p>((Editorial Note:  I will continue to draw these distinctions even if a few database-oriented colleagues are &#8220;turned off&#8221; by it.))</p>
<p>Back to modelling shoplifting,   I suggest folks define merchandise-objects and then track these objects based on a risk-based cost-benefit analysis, using an RFID-type technology.    If we are comfortable with than, then we can further model detecting shoplifting.</p>
<p>Yours faithfully,  Tim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Modelling Shoplifting by marc</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/07/modelling-shoplifting/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard and Tim,

According to the radio show, there are still a very significant amount of lone shoplifters. True, there are professional teams of shoplifters, mostly from South and Central America, but you can probably build detection systems for these too, as I am sure that these teams have patterns too.

(I am pretty sure that the American news show, 60 Minutes, did a profile of these shoplifting teams a few years ago. ... Yep, they did ... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/60minutes/main601396.shtml)


I am curious as to the latest in image processing technology. Can't you divide the store up into micro-grids, and infer a person's pattern of movements as objects pass from one micro-grid to another with a certain direction and velocity of movement?

Maybe in the far future, as each person enters the store, they will be sprayed with an invisible mist that consists of nano RFID transmitters. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard and Tim,</p>
<p>According to the radio show, there are still a very significant amount of lone shoplifters. True, there are professional teams of shoplifters, mostly from South and Central America, but you can probably build detection systems for these too, as I am sure that these teams have patterns too.</p>
<p>(I am pretty sure that the American news show, 60 Minutes, did a profile of these shoplifting teams a few years ago. &#8230; Yep, they did &#8230; <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/60minutes/main601396.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/60minutes/main601396.shtml</a>)</p>
<p>I am curious as to the latest in image processing technology. Can&#8217;t you divide the store up into micro-grids, and infer a person&#8217;s pattern of movements as objects pass from one micro-grid to another with a certain direction and velocity of movement?</p>
<p>Maybe in the far future, as each person enters the store, they will be sprayed with an invisible mist that consists of nano RFID transmitters. <img src='http://www.thecepblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Modelling Shoplifting by Richard Veryard</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/07/modelling-shoplifting/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Veryard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, professional shoplifters work in teams - one distracts the shop assistant, a second one puts the item into a bag, then switches bags with a third team member before leaving the store. So even if the theft was spotted on the cameras, the thief no longer has the goods, goes protesting to the manager's office to be searched, and then leaves the store with an apology. How are you going to build a system to detect that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, professional shoplifters work in teams - one distracts the shop assistant, a second one puts the item into a bag, then switches bags with a third team member before leaving the store. So even if the theft was spotted on the cameras, the thief no longer has the goods, goes protesting to the manager&#8217;s office to be searched, and then leaves the store with an apology. How are you going to build a system to detect that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is Complex Event Processing? by Modelling Shoplifting &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/what-is-complex-event-processing/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>Modelling Shoplifting &#124; The Complex Event Processing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Business In Thailand - Part 1:  The Challenge by Tim Bass</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/05/business-in-thailand-part-1-the-challenge/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Loris,

Thanks for stopping by and visiting!     Actually, it is more challenging than this post indicates.  Stay tuned for more on this off-topic later.

Yours faithfully, Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Loris,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and visiting!     Actually, it is more challenging than this post indicates.  Stay tuned for more on this off-topic later.</p>
<p>Yours faithfully, Tim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Business In Thailand - Part 1:  The Challenge by loris ipanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/05/business-in-thailand-part-1-the-challenge/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>loris ipanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that there is a difference between a foreigner working ,and a tourist. I would never have a business in Thailand. The land of smiles, you don't see what is behind the smile. How many  times I have read, Thailand wants your money, not you. Also,you can never become a citizen in Thailand,you will always be a  'farang' no matter what. So best be a tourist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that there is a difference between a foreigner working ,and a tourist. I would never have a business in Thailand. The land of smiles, you don&#8217;t see what is behind the smile. How many  times I have read, Thailand wants your money, not you. Also,you can never become a citizen in Thailand,you will always be a  &#8216;farang&#8217; no matter what. So best be a tourist.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Decisions matter to Complex Event Processing &#187; Smart (Enough) Systems, the blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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